I was rooting for Alex

I was disappointed when she was murdered. And the script writers didn't even have the courage to have Michael Douglas kill her, despite it being an intensely misogynistic film. I think I speak for us all when I say Alex should have finished him.

Fatal Attraction thread "rooting for alex" thread posted at 3:40 am. Uh huh.

Alex aka Glenn Close needed to be put down. That weirdo was full on nuts.

In the originally scripted (and filmed) ending, Alex killed herself and framed Michael Douglas, who was sent to prison for her murder.

[quote]I think I speak for us all

I'd rather you didn't, gurl. Not now and never again.

A friend of mine has a long time fwb flip out on him in a similar way. He’s not married and it was and neither wanted any kind of relationship, but I think there came a time after a Teo year friendship that she was offended by the situation and him not wanting a relationship. I honestly think most women have a harder time with that kind of arrangement long term. Anyway she went psycho on him after having dinner and he had to ask her to leave.

Did she scream I'M NOT GOING TO BE IGNORED?

Of course DLers would side with Alex. Because you're all a bunch of WHORES with low self-esteem who think nothing of getting on your knees for some married cock and then throw a tantrum when Mr. Married doesn't call you back.

You, like Alex, are not moving to the country. You are not Beth. You're just a cheap roll in the hay.

It's remarkable how similar the film is to Play Misty for Me.

I've saw Clint Eastwood on TV laughing good naturedly how they totally ripped off his film.

Play Misty For Me is a lot better. This is a cheap popcorn movie that gets WAY too much prestige credit for some reason.

Misty is more cartoonish. Especially the fake blood and when the sassy black maid is mutilated and the psycho just walks free without explanation.

Alex should have killed that cheating lying asshole and his doormat cunt wife and their little boy and then headed for the border ,when she had the chance!

R11 I can excuse that because it was low budget, made in the early 1970s, Eastwood's debut directorial effort, and nobody in pop culture really took Misty that seriously at the time or now. It's a fun thriller.

What bothers me is all the think pieces and analysis of Fatal Attraction like it's some kind of well thought out commentary on sex, mental health and gender dynamics. It's a straightforward "psycho bitch" movie.

It became that when the cheap and schlocky bathtub ending was tacked on.

The original ending holds Dan responsible for the affair and gives his wife more agency and depth (she has to figure out Alex committed suicide to frame her husband). But, test audiences weren't going for it. They wanted blood and to see Alex die a visceral death. The producers making that change resulted in the film becoming more sensational, but a box-office phenomenon. Glenn Close struggled with the change for a while, but eventually made peace with it.

The film kicked off what I like to refer to as the Michael Douglas Persecuted White Male Trilogy along with Basic Instinct and Disclosure haha.

The only horror in Misty is that cheap laughable cutaway of an obvious still of the knife, that was inserted after the psycho attacks him in bed, and they realised it wasn't obvious he hadn't been dreaming.

I think they're doing a tv series remake soon.

OMG FANTASTIC. Hopefully from Alex's POV

Close's performance is truly wonderful. With another actress in the role the film probably wouldn't have registered as much.

Of course OP was rooting for Alex.

She dialed with a pencil.

Close's screen test is amazing. She is so present and finds so many levels. It isn't that different from the final performance and she hadn't even worked that much with a director yet I'd guess.

Anne Archer on the other hand is rather flat in hers. She needed help to get where she did but Close did it alone. Amazing.

Glenn Close is one of the great actors.

Anne Archer is one of the great Scientologists.

[quote]Glenn Close struggled with the change for a while, but eventually made peace with it...

... at the exact same second the check cleared.

Why should Dan be held responsible for anything? In no way did he ever imply or tell Alex he was in love with her or wanted anything more than a one-night stand. She's a crazy bitch. There's nothing more to the story about "agency." It's a fright story for suburban fraus and their middling husbands.

Alex boiled a bunny and endangered a child, and Dan is the "evil" one because he pumped and dumped? Seriously?

G was brilliant in this. I don't think M could have been as good.

And yes, it was a satisfying ending to see that crazy cunt die. She's fine in this (no way Oscar worthy or "brilliant") but Glenn Close is one of the most overrated actresses ever, second only to Meryl Streep. Two patrician voids of charisma that DLers seem to cream their pants over.

After many auditions when Adrian Lyne the director saw Close's he reportedly went running down the hall screaming to the producers in excitement that he found his Alex.

This film ruined the Meatpacking District.

I also forgot to add that Douglas supported Close's campaign to get the role. It really is an incredible performance. And, on top of that, she came out with Dangerous Liaisons the next year. She was having a moment. It's too bad that she didn't win an Oscar around that time. It really would have been deserving. I just don't know if either role was one that AMPAS would have ever gone for with different competition. I think either performance would have lost against the previous or subsequent five winners (given The Academy's taste).

I think Kathy Bates was able to win for Misery because there was an emotional distance and she wasn't as threatening. Close was playing a very sexual character which probably put off a lot of the male Academy voters and scared them shitless (especially the philandering ones). Maybe Close could have won in 1994 with either performance against Lange for Blue Sky. Not sure.

[quote]...at the exact same second the check cleared.

lol, true. But she was very vocal and adamant that Alex wouldn't have taking the actions she did in the new ending.

I like in the screen test Douglas jumps her line about the 45 second mark but they keep going without any problem.

[quote]Alex boiled a bunny and endangered a child, and Dan is the "evil" one because he pumped and dumped?

Well, I was a good little Catholic teenager at the time who believed marriage vows meant something. Maybe you didn't. :shrug:

[quote]I don't think M could have been as good.

M can't let go sexually, so she wouldn't have been able to nail the role.

Douglas' energy worked in this role and Close was excellent. In general I always found Douglas to be strangely hollow and uncharismatic as a performer. I guess I just don't like him.

the performance was all the more shocking since Close was seriously type cast at the time is the nice proper woman. (Garp, Big Chill, The Natural where she is literally like an angel.)

No one thought she had this kind of performance in her. The producers didn't even want to audition her.

The writer of the film had William Hurt and Theresa Russell in mind when writing the screenplay. Don't know if either were ever offered it though.

R31 What lesbian nonsense are you on about? She didn't win because AMPAS has cheaters on the board?

She didn't win because she didn't really deserve to that year. Holly Hunter (who I personally would have picked) on an acting level was better than her, and Cher's performance was in the better movie. Moonstruck is a lovely and well made romcom, Fatal Attraction is typical Michael Douglas erotic thriller schlock, like Basic Instinct.

Out of all the years she's lost, I can pick at least one or two performances better than hers except 1988's Dangerous Liaisons, the only performance of hers I actually consider to be great.

Know how to make a Frau go insane?

IGNORE THEM!

[quote]Douglas' energy worked in this role and Close was excellent. In general I always found Douglas to be strangely hollow and uncharismatic as a performer.

I like the words you used. I would say he is charismatic, though, but his charisma is hallow. He does come across as pretty superficial and bland, but I find him watchable in certain roles. It's a weird dynamic. I guess that's what makes him such a good pairing against such exciting performances like Close in Fatal Attraction and Stone in Basic Instinct. He's ultimately someone to play against to make these women shine. I also think he's charismatic in Wall Street, but he's ultimately masking an emptiness.

I always found his casting in Falling Down quite fascinating. That's another watchable film and he's fine. It's probably his best performance. I haven't watched it in years, but would like to revisit it.

R39 = Dickhead who hates himself. :shrug:

[quote]I actually consider

Thanks for your opinion. I never argued she should have won. Dumbass. I wrote that it would have been nice if she had won an Oscar back then during the height of her career. That doesn't mean Cher, Holly Hunter, etc, weren't deserving winners. Are you glad Jessica Marlee Martin has an Oscar too? Are you glad Jodie Foster has two? GFY.

"[R39] = Dickhead who hates himself. :shrug: "

Doesn't need to, you're doing a fine job of it

[quote]you're doing a fine job of it

Yes, I'm doing a fine job of discussing the movie. Thanks.

I don't know what you're doing other than trolling.

[quote]IGNORE THEM!

I've taken your advice. To my Ignore List YOU go, asshole. Have fun in the Froy thread, loser. BYE!

^ Good, now I can say nasty things about you and you won't know it

Alex's vomiting scene was pure cinema

It's impossible to watch Play Misty For Me now without laughing out loud.

I haven't watched this in forever.

Wasn't that scene used to show she really was pregnant r45?

^ The knife sliding through the hand still makes my palms sweat

“I was rooting for you, we were all rooting for you. How dare you!”

No she was vomiting with jealousy as she spied on the family through the window.

An off screen phone call to the doctor "confirmed" the pregnancy.

Alex should have gone into HR and emasculated misogynist cube gays.

It was so ahead of its time having the couple raise a trans child.

R22, that's incredible. I mean, it's a hand-held screen-test, yet so bloody captivating. Thank you for sharing,

r51, is one of the man-haters

It was nice of Clint to include that 'Jazz Festival' sequence in P lay Mistry For Me so everyone could take a dump and a smoke.

I thought Anne Archer was really good in this, too. All three actors were well cast and did a great job, IMO.

r52 years ago we had a "Let's Be The Movie Fatal Attraction" thread.

One of the best posts:

[quote]I'm Ellen, formerly Edward, Dan and Beth's "daughter." I'm WAY ahead of my time, and so are my parents, recognizing and accepting early that I'm trans. Decades later, it will be debated whether people like me are leading to gay erasure and whether T should join LGB. As for me, my parents let me look and dress as I chose and call myself whatever I wanted. We had fights when I started puberty at 12 about taking hormones and getting surgery. They said I could do anything I wanted once I turned 18 and they'd support me. I grew out of it by 14. I'm now 42 and live in White Plains with my husband and three children. I'm Ellen again, I'm overweight, I wear yoga pants everywhere, I just got a a "I give up" short haircut, but with my new Fitbit and Boom-Chicka-Pop, Kellogs 100 calorie snacks, and Diet Coke, I'm on my way back to getting trim and fit, only I'm not.

I think it's Micheal Douglas' voice that bothers me. He always sounds like he's doing a voice over for an Insurance Company

This thread makes me wanna re-watch FA

R34 - sounds like Promising Young Woman.

No, but instead of saying, look this isn’t working and leaving, she became hostile and insulting. It’s like something snapped and he was suddenly the bad guy, even though it was an understanding they were friends who had dinner and hot sex on occasion.

Keep OP's IP address info for when it comes time to file the restraining order.

I love Alex’s apartment.

A good and trashy film with endless copycats not nearly as good.

Alex lived in the meat packaging district, strange how quickly things change

An anthem for OP. To the tune of Baby Mama:

It’s about time we had our own song

Don’t know what took so long

Cuz these days it’s like a badge of honor

To be a bunny boiler

B un N Y

B oil E R

This goes out to all my bunny boilers

This goes out to all my bunny boilers

Same OP. She was insane but he was such a douche he didn’t deserve to go on with his life peacefully. His wife and child should have left him and then who cares if Alex goes after him.

I agree, OP. I love this movie and I found Alex to be such a fascinating and rootable character. I wanted her to succeed in destroying Dan's life/family. He deserved it for the way he treated her.

I’m surprised no one’s commented yet on his daughter’s atrocious haircut.

I like the part where she confronts him and says, "why, because I won't let you treat me like some slut that you can just bang and throw in the garbage?" The acting from Douglas during that scene was very good cause that's exactly how he viewed her and she called him out on it, his reaction was very realistic.

I found the movie pretty silly as a whole though. If she really wanted to make his life miserable she would have just called and told his wife, she obviously knew how to find her.

Dan and family were cardboard Yuppie cut-outs, almost too easy to root against. Close made Alex a gloriously batshit crusader overflowing with passion and rage: how could you not cheer her on in her battle with those non-entities?

Trans kid was not a non entity.

Even that generic cottontail bunny was asking for it.

I was too, op. That whole scene where she flips the light switch on and off she stole from me. I am quite a lot like the Alex character in real life. A real crazy-ass.

Ugh. They’ll probably remake it and have Alex be the hero. Even though she’s a total psycho.

There was a Fatal Attraction thread of a few years ago that endlessly discussed Michael Douglas’ obese dog.

A fat dog never says good things about the owner.

Alex would not make a dog fat.

R78 Buck would never have let his dog get chubby either.

Does Alex have Borderline Personality Disorder?

Alex knew full-well Dan was married and still persisted. She had no redeemable qualities at all. She had it coming. I was glad the wife took her out.

The aspect of the movie's reception that I find unsettling is the audience's cheer for the death of a pregnant woman.

[quote]The aspect of the movie's reception that I find unsettling is the audience's cheer for the death of a pregnant woman.

She could have been lying. As dishonest and sneaky as Alex was, I believe she was.

Plus she killed a bunny, but yes. ^.

I love Roger Ebert's review.

The original ending is interesting but it's less satisfying. I would have liked it more if Beth had thrown out the tape, or if Dan remained in prison and Beth didn't find the tape. It still tried to give a happy ending, but having Dan rot in prison might have been interesting.

r80 I've heard Close say she interpreted the character to have Borderline Personality Disorder.

She worked with doctors to shape the character and figure her out. (that's why the change of ending bothered her so much. Borderline's hurt themselves not others.)

I love the scene where she shows up at his apartment and toys with him.

Archer is good in the film too. She's so perk-ily innocent in this scene. I love the cut to her and then back to Close and Douglas who are so locked in battle.

[quote]I like the part where she confronts him and says, "why, because I won't let you treat me like some slut that you can just bang and throw in the garbage?" The acting from Douglas during that scene was very good cause that's exactly how he viewed her and she called him out on it, his reaction was very realistic.

I don't think he viewed her as trash. She hit on him and presented herself as someone who knew he was married but really wanted to have a weened tryst just for the fun of it. He didn't know she was mentally ill and stupidly went for it. He's a bad husband for what he did, but the film seemed to indicate that his wife wasn't as into sex as he was and he may have justified occasional affairs because of that.

[quote]She worked with doctors to shape the character and figure her out. (that's why the change of ending bothered her so much. Borderline's hurt themselves not others.)

Interesting. It would have been a strong ending if Alex wrestled the gun away from the wife and uses it on herself.

*weekend, not weened (no idea how that happened)

The original ending is better story and character-wise but the reshot ending is so well-crafted and suspenseful I prefer it.

FYI, the ending fight in Misery was choreographed by the same people who did this one. Watch them back to back and they have the same frenetic energy.

R95 M. wouldn't dare. She has nothing in her filmography as memorable as this.

She must seethe with jealously every time she hears or sees mention of the film.

Indeed. It’s surprising than Glenn Close can portray complex sexuality better than nominally prettier M, but there we are.

What is M's most sexual role anyway? Hope Springs? It's Complicated? Adaptation? Bridges? I haven't seen Joe Tynan or Still of the Night.

R98 They are all as near as she gets. I suppose Karen Silkwood could be included because she flashes a blink and you miss boob.

[quote]I haven't seen Joe Tynan or Still of the Night.

Neither of those. In the first she's a professional political aide and looks a bit awkward in the bed scene with Alan Alda.

In the second she's and icy, mysterious Hitchcock blonde.

"What about meeeeeeeeeeeeee?" - Boiled bunny

Dear god, r4. All this time I thought that was their son, not their daughter. I only saw this movie a couple of times as a kid and never really had a desire to watch it again after the bunny boiling scene. I was about 7 or 8 when I saw this.

I always thought that was a little boy. Damn, lol.

Me too. I also rooted for Rebecca Demornay’s character in Hand the Rocks the Cradle. I guess I’m a bad person.

[quote] What is M's most sexual role anyway? Hope Springs? It's Complicated? Adaptation? Bridges? I haven't seen Joe Tynan or Still of the Night.

I saw Plenty as a young teen in the late 90s, and upon seeing Meryl ride Sting on a sofa, I thought, nope. I put some of it down to David Hare’s writing. He never quite gets “there”. But Kate Nelligan apparently managed to bring to the role what Meryl couldn’t.

As an aside, I did like bittersweet, minor Hope Springs with Tommy Lee Jones. As for her most sexual, the boob flash of Silkwood was more sassy and a character-setting moment more than sexual. I guess The French Lieutenant’s Woman brought made the best use of of her reserve and striking looks.

In the original version Alex kills herself and frames Douglas. Way better.

Doesn’t M get plowed a few times in Adaptation?

Alex was never seen boiling the bunny. That's all I want to say.

What is especially confusing in regards to the kid is she is seen rehearsing a Thanksgiving play and is clearly cast as a male character. WTF?

One thing that always bugs me is when Anne Archer shows up to pick up the kid from school and Close already has her.............she asks another kid where's (whatever the kid's name is) and the other kid says all ominously "she's gone." The kid shouldn't know anything is wrong. Lousy line reading from the young actress but she was probably told to say it that way.

That kid in pigtails saw Alex pick up the gender defying child.

But why would she assume that Alex was a bad person picking up the kid?

She just said SHE'S GONE she didn't imply she'd been assassinated.

The film does get ridiculous in the third act with the boiled bunny and roller coaster ride. I agreed with Roger Ebert.

But she says it with a lilt that is supposed to make us all go oooooo she's gone. The actress telegraphed an emotion the character shouldn;t have.

I would have liked Alex to castrate Michael Douglas.

Since borderline's hurt themselves I'd have had it end with Close about to kill Archer and as they struggle with the gun I'd do like in Mr. Goodbar and have Alex relax the fight a bit, hoist the knife and then whisper do it forcing Archer to have to shoot her.

On TCM Mank and Douglas discussed that the audience forgave his character too easily. (His rolling around in the bed to make it look slept in etc.) They thought Douglas' popularity from other films carried over a bit too much into this film altering how people felt about the cheating husband.

(and Anne Archer is a bit twee. Hard to feel sympathy for her as much as needed.)

Was Alex really pregnant? That was a really unnecessary plot development, went nowhere and was never addressed again after a certain point in the film. It feels like material around this may have ended up being cut.

Yes r118. He calls the doctor (which is odd. Would a doctor reveal that to a strange man calling? Nowadays with privacy laws no way. I don't know how it was in 1987.)

It is addressed at the very end with the boiling rabbit. (the rabbit died used to be an old expression for pregnancy in case you are a youngster r118.)

Anne Archer was lame. Still is.

At the empty rabbit hutch:

"Whitey's gone!"

The rabbit was named Whitey?

RACISM!!!!!

R120 - she is better in Narrow Margin where her character is bitchier.

The child was gender neutral. Fatal Attraction was way ahead to it’s time.

R108 The "daughter" was clearly a trans character. Very masculine.

The dog was grotesquely obese. Big warning sign of dysfunction and unhappiness in that home.

The dog was trans and non-binary. Likes to be called "they".

How did the bunny rabbit identify itself?

Except as stew when it was in hot water...

How long before Glenn screams out "I will not be ignored" on Oscar night?

[quote] Me too. I also rooted for Rebecca Demornay’s character in Hand the Rocks the Cradle. I guess I’m a bad person.

Me too. It makes you a good person, to care about people who have suffered because of the actions of others and who consequently deserve revenge against them. Dan deserved to suffer for messing with someone else’s feelings. It was very wrong to make Alex look like a villain.

The kid is currently starring in RuPaul’s Trans Race aka the Interior Delusions lounge.

At least Alex took the trans child on the roller coaster. I didn’t see that bitch Beth take them to a fairground.

After boiling a tranny's rabbit it is the least you can do!

"Dahhhhhhn, Dahhhhhhhnnnnn!!!"

R71 I disagree. I think Dan sort of reluctantly had the fling because he and his wife were in 'parent mode' and he was horny. Alex came on strong amd used wild sex to get claws into him, but he wasn't a total ass. I think he wouldn't have been polite but distant with her from that point on.

Hell, she attempted suicide in front of him, FFS, and he stayed and was kind to her.

....honestly I can't get over how a LAWYER is delivered irrefutable evidence of Alex stalking him at his office, but then keeps confronting her one-on-one even when the police are asking him for hard evidence. Dude! You have a TAPE of her saying she's obsessed with you! She's confronted your wife and broken into your house and boiled your pet! There are FINGERPRINTS everywhere!

I guess they didn't have as many cops shows back then because all I could think was "GATHER THE EVIDENCE!"

Seriously, though, major plothole. I know the "hero" has to confront the "villain" and all but...a freaking lawyer can't cover his ass? His friend can't advise him to cover his ass? Idiots, both.

And why didn't he get his daughter to stay elsewhere once Alex broke in the house?

I think he *would* have been polite, I mean.

I was rooting for Alex until the bunny rabbit scene.

I mean, even I have standards.

Glenn Close wasn't sexy enough to lure him away from his hot wife. Sorry.

Fatal Attraction was the highest-grossing film worldwide that year.

[quote] Dude! You have a TAPE of her saying she's obsessed with you! She's confronted your wife and broken into your house and boiled your pet! There are FINGERPRINTS everywhere!

He only listens to a few seconds of the tape so he doesn't know what is on it.

She never confronts the wife until the bathroom scene. The police go to get her after the bunny boiling but she isn't home and instead is lurking around the house somewhere outside. (His not locking the door immediately after the police leave is a plot hole though as is the fact that the teapot is so loud it blocks out the screams of two women fighting.)

There is literally no evidence that Alex killed the rabbit. I think the little girl did it.

[quote] I think the little girl did it.

Forget the boiling of the bunny. THIS is literal violence!!!

This film is funny because it scared the living shit out of players. Yeah, they should have killed off MD. He deserved it, unlike sean bean in GOT.

I hope they finally get the casting right with the TV version.

R143 yes she did confront the wife. First by lying and getting a house tour and their newly private number as a way of threatening Dan and the unknowing Beth. Then by staying on the phone and speaking with Beth *sure, Beth did the talking, but you get my point*

Someone breaks into your house to leave you a threatening message, you put your wife and kid in a hotel or somewhere safe! Come on, Dan! Then you gather evidence! Duh! That cassette tape was enough to go to court the next day and tell a judge "I want a restraining order against this woman." He's a lawyer.

He only went after her physically because this is a movie. A real lawyer would never have attempt to murder his pregnant mistress himself. Stupid. Use the law.

He couldn't force her to abort, but he could have been stockpiling evidence of why she's unfit to parent so that once the kid was born, he could petition for full parental rights.

Question: Glenn talks a LOT about all the research she did and "secrets" behind Alex's behaviors. Did she ever just break it down and say "here's what I figured out as her backstory....she was molested/she's borderline/her last miscarriage was because _____" ?????

Glenn has said she felt the character was abused. I haven't heard her say she was borderline or about the miscarriage.

In real life G has a sister who was only diagnosed as schizophrenic late in life. I always thought some of her performance came from watching her sister's behavior. (She's never said that that I know of.)

When does Beth take the phone in threaten to kill her? I forget. It's after the roller coaster scene. G calls them? How did she get the number? What does she say to MD before Beth grabs the phone?

Jesus Christ r149 why don't you watch the fucking movie?

R149, Beth gets on the phone after the bunny-boiling scene and Dan's confession. The roller coaster scene happens some days after that. Alex got their number when she was pretending to be a prospective buyer of the their apartment. Dan called Alex after the bb scene to tell her Beth knows. She doesn't say anything to him before he hands the phone to Beth.

R147 Fuck off you jealous bitch. Despite all your Oscars and nominations you don't have a classic like Fatal Attraction under your belt.

It may be camp and over the top at times but it still packs a punch like it did over 30 years ago.

I'd like to see Alex stalk and terrorise Catherine Trammel.

"Fatal Attraction" was supposed to be a leaseback film against feminism.

I think it worked. I was cheering for Beth to "kill the bitch" at the end of the movie.

Exactly. I think Alex should have boiled the horrible Scientology bitch wife and she'd be the lil tranny boy's new Mom with the new baby. Every weekend, the whole fam would slit their wrists just for kicks.

[quote] What is M's most sexual role anyway? Hope Springs? It's Complicated? Adaptation? Bridges? I haven't seen Joe Tynan or Still of the Night.

She rides Sting's cock in Plenty.

As forced as the ending may seem, it has a spectacularly cathartic effect on the audience.

And it's pretty seamless. Great editing and performances. It doesn't feel false because the film was building up so much tension already.

It's an iconic ending, for a forced redo.

Well, Fatal Attraction was no Moonstruck, that's for sure. Lovin' my Oscar!!!

I understand. I was rooting for Joan Crawford in Mommie Dearest.

Oh hell no!

This was Michael Douglass in his prime and he was hot as shit. We are not wasting good cock for some dumb bitch who didn't have sense enough to understand that she was the side piece and she was to stay in her lane.

All bets were off when the crazy bitch snatched up the little girl and boiled her bunny. Any sympathy I might have had for the bitch at that point was GONE!

This bitch got what she deserved!

"The film kicked off what I like to refer to as the Michael Douglas Persecuted White Male Trilogy along with Basic Instinct and Disclosure haha."

Should "Falling Down" be included here? While not exactly Team Alex when I first watched Fatal Attraction, I did hope that Dan's wife would walk out on him after killing Alex (who--let's be honest here--was a psycho and needed to be killed by someone), leaving him alone, miserable and his life in shambles with a lot of 'splainin' to do to the police.

Alex Forrest is a Datalounge role model.

How was Douglas persecuted in BI? He was just a brainless dupe thankfully killed offscreen in BI 2. He should have had a grisly death by toothpick at the end of BI.

In the scene at the kitchen table after Beth tells Dan their little boy wants a rabbit, Michale Douglas' voice was so weirdly high pitched when he made the son giggle by saying, "Oh no! A rabbit? A RABBIT?" Beth was looking on from the kitchen smiling but I, the viewer, was just watching Michael Douglas and thinking, "WTF?".

I'm telling you the child killed the rabbit.

[quote]I did hope that Dan's wife would walk out on him after killing Alex (who--let's be honest here--was a psycho and needed to be killed by someone), leaving him alone,

after all the controversy about the ending I can remember Anne Archer (and maybe Douglas?) started saying stuff like the marriage probably isn't as strong as people are led to believe and they'll have future problems. It was the 80s. Women still stoood by their man.

(See Nine. On Broadway the wife took him back. In the movie years later she didn't. Times are a changing.)

It's amazing to watch how Close's appearance deteriorates as her mind does.

On the DVD the art director says she was amazingly lacking in vanity and let them light her and make her up to look worse and worse as the film went on.

She's never looked sexier than when she charged at him with that carving knife.

She looks beautiful at the beginning when she enters the book party and she gives the fat guy a look of death when he makes a comment about her. (Nice foreshadowing of things to come.)

Alex's unforgivable fatphobia is the root of her ultimate downfall. If she'd not been a fatphobic asshole and tried that fat guy, she'd have gotten the partnership she desired. White women always punch down.

Before “Fatal Attraction”, Glenn was known for her nurturing, Mother Earth roles. She was almost typecast. When I saw the film, I was astounded. Here was Glenn, looking sexy and hotter than hell. She was ferocious, and her performance was phenomenal!

Glenn Close did the impossible in this movie - she actually made an 80s spiral perm work, and look good. That was the most hideous hairstyle ever but she looked great.

Someone remind me why the gays are on Alex's side? Do I have to remind you about the abusive cassette she left for Dan, which contained the following: "I bet you don't even like girls, do you? Ha! You're a flaming fucking FAGGOT!"

I would love to see a Fatal Attraction sequel where the family are still traumatised 35 years later. There was always talk of people thinking the little girl was a boy, so maybe if Ellen became a transman as an adult, Beth and Dan could go to family therapy with her and think she has gender issues because of what happened to her a little girl.

G looked good in Jagged Edge (1985), which I just rewatched on Hulu. Of course Jeff Bridges is super hot in that film, as is (surprisingly) Peter Coyote. Yum!

R177 she did not look good. At all.

It's weird how similar Alex is to Norma.

R26, he relied on Alex’s need and credulity to do something with her that he had vowed another woman, before God and family and friends, he would never do until only death itself parted them.

I realize most people treat their wedding vows like they were scribbled on toilet paper but how was Alex to know what a married person wants, and will do, who is making it clear they want to fuck around? His vows clearly aren’t slowing him down! If his well-dressed and nicely backlit family are not an impediment to him trolling her for pussy who knows where his line is?

Yes, she was self deluded. That was the exact personality type he needed if all he was going to do was get off by banging and crashing around in an elevator and a sink with his dick in some female who didn’t demand cash on the barrelhead first. Although a hooker wouldn’t have minded and a drunk with no self respect might’ve gone for it, too.

But in addition to wanting to cheat and run, he was dumb and unlucky and she wanted more. And she backed up her desires with out-of-control rage at being used as a dumpster. And he has no fault in the thing? It’s “frau” to want a vow to mean something?

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