Eldergays, Tell me about Douglass Watson

Everyone's favorite father figure. Patient, understanding and accepting. The ideal father figure for so many of us growing up.

Even when he was pissed off at or divorced from Rachel, he was still loving and generous with her children. If only every father (and step-father) was so perfect!

Share your Douglass Watson memories .

What's to fucking say? Dude dead for like 40 years now. Time to fucking move on.

Actually my recollection of Mac is that he was a son of a bitch when it came to custody of Amanda and Matthew, and slut-shamed his wife for living with hot piece Mitch Blake and used it against her in the custody battle. Meanwhile he was boning some no-name Alice.

I don't have one single memory of this man. Well, now I do have one, from this thread.

Mac was a tiresome pompous windbag. Though I'm sure Mr. Watson was a lovely person.

Aunt Liz wanted him inside her quite deeply.

Poor Aunt Liz. She thought she was having dinner with Mac in his hotel suite and she shows up and there's Rachel slinked on the couch. She was so embarrassed. Then she hightailed it over to Iris' to tell her about Mac and Rachel. Iris looked like she was going to cut a bitch. Liz knew exactly what she was doing, because Iris left her place and went over to Mac's.

Bug eyed Rachel had the crazy eyes!

I know she killed my daddy.

[quote] Rachel had the crazy eyes!

How rude.

I was confused as a kid because I thought Douglass/Mac was like our neighbor or something. Our news anchor looked a lot like "Mac" and I think I was 7 or 8 before I got it all straight as to who was who.

Victoria paid tribute to Douglass at the 1989 Daytime Emmy Awards.

[quote]What's to fucking say? Dude dead for like 40 years now. Time to fucking move on.

Yes, once they're dead, there's no reason ever to mention an actor or celebrity again. That's why you never hear mention of Judy Garland, Elizabeth Taylor or Bea Arthur on DataLounge these days.

And I don't think there's been any mention of Connie Ford or Beverlee McKinsey here since their deaths either.

I used to go into his bedroom and sniff his worn boxers.

Iris wasn't the only one calling out "Daddy!"

HE was a handsome man, a handsome daddy/grandfather...

AND I LOVED LOVED that even at his mature age, on the show, he would wear SPEEDOS! showing his hairy beefy body! awesome!... How i wish I could find episodes of this on youtube or somewhere!...

Other thread got Muriel’d. Can we migrate here and someone post a link in the old thread?

Dude smoked wayyyyyyyy too many ciggies. Dropped dead right before our eyes..

a shame he isn't here to put one out in your eye

Douglass was such a tremendous force on the show. Even ten years after his death his character was often mentioned, his memory and spirit was alive.

Sadly, it looks like marvelous midwestern favorite Danny Markel has been a bad, bad boy.

Looks to be the same Danny/Dan.

Damn, he looks good salt-and-pepper.

Has Icky Wyndham commented yet?

I think he looks far better as a daddy than a young guy.

Poor Douglass Watson-somebody on the AW Locher Room reunion said he was on vacation at some resort in the Southwest, went for a long run and straight to an exercise class and dropped dead right there.

I had no idea Rita Rudner was on Daytime.

[quote] I think he looks far better as a daddy than a young guy.

Fucking beautiful as a young man. Still hot as a mature man.

Danny wasn't dripping with sex the way that RKK was, but he was a good replacement. Much better than that Brian Lane Green mess they brought in.

[quote]Danny wasn't dripping with sex the way that RKK was

You're absolutely right. He was a thousand times drippinger than that clown RKK. Danny Markel is my single favorite daytime actor of all time. So sad he dropped out after the David Stenbeck mess. He'd have made a convincing Adam Newman.

I get that some thought of Mac as the ideal dad.

For me, it was another Mac -- Kevin Dobson's character on KNOTS.

Michael ADORED Mac; he was longing for a dad after poor William Sidney died on the operating table.

And he got it. He felt protected and cared for by Mac.

Another World was my mother's favorite. She adored Mac, though he was too good for conniving Rachel. My high school was on split session, so I was home by 3. We used to watch it together (I know, Mary!) When Douglass Watson died in real life, a funeral was held 6 weeks later for Mac on air. My mother was inconsolable.

Here we have Rachel saying her final goodbyes.

Had I known they were going to hire Douglass, I would have stuck around.

He was so debonair and more exciting than dull-as-dishwater Sam Groom.

Danny Markel was also furry as hell.....mmmm.....furry pubes!!

Why put on subscribe so early? We barely had 300 replies.

You're absolutely right. He was a thousand times drippinger than that clown RKK.

Here's the difference.

RKK will throw you up against a building in a back alley, pull your shorts to side and fuck you while biting your neck and twisting your nips.

Danny Markel will wait until you get home to fuck you in your bed. He'll ask if you want to use a condom and he'll call you the next day.

[quote] RKK will throw you up against a building in a back alley, pull your shorts to side and fuck you while biting your neck and twisting your nips.

But only if you are a 16-year-old girl.

[quote]Poor Douglass Watson-somebody on the AW Locher Room reunion said he was on vacation at some resort in the Southwest, went for a long run and straight to an exercise class and dropped dead right there.

Watson had a heart attack while taking an exercise class at at retreat in Arizona.

He'd gone there to get in better shape for a storyline that AW planned for him.

[quote] RKK will throw you up against a building in a back alley, pull your shorts to side and fuck you while biting your neck and twisting your nips.

Raw

Those ciggies did Doug in. Did Connie snatch eater comment when he croaked?

What storyline were they going to do for Mac and Rachel is he had lived?

The scene in this clip between Mac and Ada is amazing. It starts at 25:00. I think it’s from 1984 or so. Mac and Ada had a unique friendship that was unusual.

Locher Room session with Carolyn and Richard Culliton. Lots of fascinating tidbits shared. Well worth listening too.

My favorite comment was what Paul Rauch's assistant said when Texas was cancelled in 1982 -- "What do you expect from a show written by an actress and a secretary."

I don't often think Victoria W's Hispanic heritage is very obvious, but there are a few spots in that clip at R46 where she looks very Latina, in a way I don't remember seeing much before or after.

Did Victoria Wyndham resent the late Beth Howland because she was on a prime-time hit for years and was also Sondheim's muse?

Everyone take a shot every time La Locherina says "You know...."

You'll be shitfaced in about 5 minutes.

Of course the Cullitons said I was their favorite.

They didn't mention you as a favorite, Donna dear.

My guess is, based on interviews she's given and the way she has conducted herself post AW, I would say that Victoria Wyndham doesn't waste her time being resentful of anyone.

Everytime Queen Locher says “that’s crazy”, take a drink. I did.

I wonder what conversations she has with her in-law Sir Mark Rylance.

Did the Cullitons write for AW when Douglass Watson died? If so damn Locher for not bringing it up and asking them what the planned storyline was.

Watson died in the Lemay-Swajeski years, no?

I don’t think Lemay was there at that particular time.

Lemay's very quick Welcome Back/See Ya Later was in 1988, when P&G rehired him, used his work for a few months and then rethought the idea after the writer's strike that year.

Douglass Watson died the following spring.

[quote]Danny Markel is my single favorite daytime actor of all time.

He was handsome enough -- and still was as of 2015, based on the photo at R25 -- but he wasn't much of an actor.

He wasn't a grand actor but he exuded sex

Essay discussing the changes Doug Marland made to the Barbara Ryan character and the changes Brown and Essenstein made to the Beth Raines character.

Doug was no hunk, and his style of acting was so mannered and affected. Just hyper-theatrical. He'd be laughed off the screen today. HIs AW clips are good for a solid laugh. The only reason you queens love him is because he is the surrogate father who, unlike your real fathers, didn't reject you because you were "different". Now, an attractive prime time actor without all the theater training nonsense would've been much better in the role, someone like Dennis Cole or John Saxon. And you get someone like Shannon Tweed or Susan Anton as nuAlice, and Mac and Alice would've taken off as a couple.

r61 = the Drew Dixon Troll

A lot of NYC soap actors used soaps to supplement their theatre income. Shows like AW, went after those types of actors and were lauded for it. For instance I adore Constance Ford and every time she pops up in a classic movie or one of those old TV shows on the vaginal mesh channels, I stop and watch. But on AW, Connie was playing to back row in every scene. So was Doug and Irene Daily and Anne Meacham.

Played to the back row, r63? You're being generous. Actually they played to the deli across the street from the Brooklyn studio. That style of acting was NOT meant for TV, which is why, looking back all these years, that they all come off beyond laughable. Someone, say, like Michael Mealor or Galen Gering could teach Doug and those others a thing or two about how to act for television.

Galen Gering teach someone to act, r65? You mean the Galen Gering who never uttered a phrase that didn't require closed captioning?

Doug was so queeny. It was really tough to buy Iris and Rachel or any female lusting after Mac. Felicia would've been believable as Mac's hag if she didn't already have that uberqueen Wallingford.

[quote][R61] = the Drew Dixon Troll

Oh, I suspect it's a whole bunch of trolls rolled into one.

The most subtle piece of acting ever recorded on camera.

You could practically smell the snatch on Connie’s breath through the tv screen.

R71, I wonder if Connie 'hit' that, and I'm not talking about slapping...

I remember teen Nancy’s first episode where she was in Mac’s limo sashaying to Material Girl.

Ya just know that Mac was going to the Townhouse and hiring rentboys on his business trips to NYC.

Haha, Ilsa. And I bet he went down on Sandy not knowing he was his father.

Sandy ONLY rented out to women, R77.

Sandy and Jamie had steamy stroke sessions in the sauna at the Bay City Racquet Club.

[quote]And you get someone like Shannon Tweed or Susan Anton as nuAlice, and Mac and Alice would've taken off as a couple.

Wow! Shannon Tweed would have been one busy actress if the Drew Dixon Troll was in charge. First he's got her playing Maureen on GL. Now she's playing Alice on AW too. Double duty! I guess the P&G limos would have been ready to whisk her from one studio to the other.

And what about Savannah Wilder on Days? Did Shannon keep that role while playing the other two?

Don't feed the trolls, darlings.

P&G hired ugly actors. That's why those shows played so well in the nursing homes with the legally blind old biddies. None of them would've passed muster on Days or a Bell show. I mean, seriously, can you see Bell even contemplating hiring a Vicky Wyndham or the low-energy Ellen Parker?

GLORY HOLE AT BAY CITY MOTEL

Tall, handsome masc, taking on Bay City Men in room 7.

Which Jamie F.? Bekins, Yates, Lau or Todd.

R87 They all had cocksucking lips

Lots of raw loads were taken in the Complex parking lot. That lot was a notorious after-hours cruising and hookup spot.

Which is why I stayed away from that Complex

Are there any active bath houses in Bay City that don't attract sad old queens like Brian Bancroft?

I know of one, r92. It's called Bottoms, and it's right along the bay, at Fourth Street. It's owned by that woman with the boas who has that restaurant called Tops.

Lenore's scarf was up my ass! I loved it!

I took so many raw loads in the Complex parking lot, we used to nickname it the Cumplex.

Yes, I really WAS gay and I was getting it regularly from Zachary Scott, Attorney at Law-and a damn fine piece of ass.

Who was Gail Brown fucking behind the scenes? Worst actress ever, yet she someone managed to endure not only throughout Lemay's entire regime, but also through all those multiple transitional regimes after Lemay left. Jacker couldn't write for Pat, yet she could for Clarice?

Remember the horrible woman who played Henrietta, the would-be cookie entrepeneur? Jacker wrote more for her than for Rachel. And Michele Shay, a fine theater actress, delivered the most bizarre line readings I ever heard on a soap. I’ll always remember Wyndham referring to Jacker’s writing regime as a “renaissance” for AW. Boy, was she wrong.

Beverlee McKunty was the worst!

I actually really enjoyed Carole Shelley as tempIris. She was so wonderfully campy and OTT, like she was parodying McKinsey. I felt like I was watching a hip ABC type soap and not some P&G dinosaur, so I was dismayed when McKinsey returned.

I especially loved how Shelley would theatrically tear into “Rachel!” every time, like she utterly detested her and wanted to wring her neck. McKinsey’s approach was always much more subtle and Southern-like.

I meant how she’d say the name “Rachel” like “Rrrrachel!”

I read in Sharon Gabet's book, From the Raven to the Dove--the new edition published in 2021--where she stated she made $420,000 in 1986 while on Another World.

I love Sharon but they didn't know what to do with her on AW. It's as though P&G just wanted to keep her in the fold once Edge was canceled, because she was a popular actress with a high Q score, but they didn't think her character through. They basically did the same thing with Larkin Malloy on The Guiding Light, but that was a much better marriage of actor and show. Was Terry Davis also a P&G mandate when she was brought to AW, or was she off Edge before it was canned? My memory is a little fuzzy with her.

R106, Terry Davis left EON a few years before the show was cancelled.

That sounds about right. Did you think she would be making more?

R108, I'm not sure if she should have been making more or not. That salary in 1986 sounds pretty good, but I have no idea what's a good salary for a daytime actor. If Sharon Gabet was making that amount, I wonder what Anna Stuart and Linda Dano were making. I suspect quite a bit more.

At that point, I'm guessing Sharon was making more than Anna Stuart. Anna had been popular a decade earlier on The Doctors, but her soap career had flatlined before she joined AW. I gather that Sharon was much in demand after EON was canned, so she had room to negotiate a huge salary.

At that point, I'm guessing Sharon was making more than Anna Stuart. Anna had been popular a decade earlier on The Doctors, but her soap career had flatlined before she joined AW. I gather that Sharon was much in demand after EON was canned, so she had room to negotiate a huge salary.

It comes out to be about $2700 per episode, assuming she had a 3 day a week guarantee - which was probably more than Thomas Ian Griffith and Mary Page Keller were making . I would also assume that people like Wyndham and Watson were making about $5000 an episode at that time given their status and seniority.

In case anyone is curious Sharon's salary is $1,046.179.38 in today's numbers.

She probably made bupkus on Edge, given that it was a half hour and low rated. I would think the only people who made some decent buck in its final years were Ann Flood, Forrest Compton, and Joel Crothers. Flood and Compton were both brought over to AW in recurring roles, while Crothers, who was dying, went over to Santa Barbara, where he died soon after.

Brittany was a dumb character and it was clear the writers didn’t know what to do with her.

Pam Davis has been mentioned before as a character that should have been brought to Bay City, and Sharon would have been interesting in that role.

[quote]I love Sharon but they didn't know what to do with her on AW. It's as though P&G just wanted to keep her in the fold once Edge was canceled, because she was a popular actress with a high Q score, but they didn't think her character through. They basically did the same thing with Larkin Malloy on The Guiding Light, but that was a much better marriage of actor and show.

So, true. P&G just wanted to keep them in the fold. Sharon said somewhere (maybe a Locher Room interview) that the main reason she went to AW was to stay with P&G since they'd been so good to her.

Brittany Peterson was definitely not written to Sharon's strengths. Seems AW had this role ready and just inserted Sharon into rather than creating a role for her. Yes, Pammy Davis would have been a good role for her.

As for Kyle Sampson, I wanted to like Larkin in the role, I really did. I adored him as Sky and wanted so much to like his Kyle, but the role never really worked for me. Sky was a lovable scalawag turned hero, whereas Kyle was a stuffy, pompous and vengeful. Travis Montgomery was a much better fit for him than Kyle.

I think by the mid-80s, no one in charge was really interested in exploring Rachel's ancient history with the arrival of a sister who hadn't been mentioned in eons. The dramatic thrust in those years was the Loves/McKinnons/Sally/Catlin/Felicia/Cass/Cecile. Rachel and Mac had basically become talk-to characters.

I agree about Larkin. Travis and Sky were his two signature roles. Even though he and Zimmer were a popular pairing, Kyle is basically a footnote in GL's history.

I sometimes wonder if Sharon should have gone to GL and Larkin should have gone to AW. The problem is, though, I can't think of any role either could have played. Maybe Michael Hudson, but he wouldn't be on canvas until 1986.

There was really no room for Sharon at GL, which was already top-heavy with 30-something actresses. Maybe she could've played Maeve. I don't see Larkin as one of the Hudson brothers on AW. They were written as earthy and macho, and that wasn't Larkin's strength.

R47? is that referring to Pam Long (ex-Ashley, Texas)?

She went on to win TWO Daytime Emmys for best writing on Guiding Light.

I guess that leaves ATWT and SEARCH if Sharon and Larkin wanted/had to stay in the P&G family.

they should have been paired together on another show.

Sharon could've worked on ATWT as a recast of a long-gone character, like Barbara's sister Melinda, or Cricket Montgomery. Do you think Larkin would've made a decent Craig Montgomery?

Poor Doug was so god damned homely!!!!!!

400K is solid.

I mean, 30ish percent for federal taxes, some for local taxes, 15 percent to your agent.......so that leaves about 200K.

In NYC, the most expensive real estate market in the cuntry.

Sharon Gabet and Marcy Walker are the two gold prize winners in the Let's Grab Her For The Show Without Planning an Actual Role awards.

Grabbing big stars from one shows and forcing chemistry with the star(s) of another show rarely works. Look at Robin Mattson on Ryan's Hope. That was such an hysterically obvious ploy to bring over GH reviewers. She had zero chemistry with any of Ryan actors.

Robert Newman was on Santa Barbara for about 6 weeks in 1986 as the second Kirk Cranston. He and Marcy Walker did have some chemistry in those scenes.

So, it wasn't outrageous to think they two could possibly have that screen magic on GL. But it became obvious quickly that they did not have any sparkle as Josh and Tangie. '

Just goes to show its about the roles the actor are playing as much as it is the actor. Stephen Nichols and Mary Beth Evans were magic on Days as Patch and Kayla. They were dull as dishwater together as Stefan Cassadine and Katherine Bell on GH.

Similarly, George Reinholt and Jacqueline Courtney as Steve and Alice were the couple who put AW on the map. Yet, when they were paired again on OLTL, they sort of fizzled.

[quote]they should have been paired together on another show.

Since P&G owned the characters and the shows, there was no reason not to have them continue playing Sky and Raven on another show.

Larkin and Sharon could easily have brought Sky and Raven to live in Bay City, Oakdale, Henderson or Springfield. The question is, which of those four cities would have been the best fit for them?

Did they fizzle or did George start acted crazy again which lead to his firing?

One annoying thing about soaps, and they've always been this way, is that they always play the let's bring so and so over here and hope that lightning strikes twice. Whether it's a writer or an actor or a storyline or just the general thrust of the show. For instance let's fire perfectly cast Cali Timmons and bring on Judi Evans to play a vixen. I'll never get over that one Another World.

I'll never understand the fuss over Cali Timmons, sorry. I know someone here loves her and I condole you, but nothing about her portrayal was memorable to me.

How about Beth Ehlers on AMC? That was a disaster as Taylor. She was brought on to recreate her chemistry with Ricky Paul Goldin, but her character was so underdeveloped. He sparked with Chrishelle Stause, and they wound up pairing her with non-actor JR Martinez, about whom she said some not very complimentary things to the press. There was talk of trying to salvage her character by pairing her with MEK, but that never happened, and she just disappeared from the canvass.

Cali Timmons made a surprise appearance alongside her husband Geoff Pierson during Miss Locher's RH reunion a few months ago. She's definitely aged, but she still looks fantastic.

Well, her portrayal was memorable to me. I thought she was great as Paulina. It was tough watching Judi Evans, at least in the beginning, try to play that role. And they would stuff poor Judi into those tight dresses, eventually they just rewrote the character to make it work for Judi.

Cali’s portrayal of Paulina was different-she was more mysterious and sexual. Paulina was originally written as a mysterious femme fatale type.

Judi played Paulina differently, and to me it was jarring. It took awhile for me to get used to her.

Replacing Cali with Judi is akin to replacing Marilyn Monroe with Vivian Vance.

Look at what ATWT did with Paul. Paul basically became Todd Manning.

Cali was sexy and sultry.

Judi's more popular but they're different types.

I found Cali's portrayal of Paulina quite memorable. She really brought some pizzazz to the role and had some sparks with Russell Todd's Jamie.

Judi's interpretation of Paulina was initially disappointing. But as someone said above, the show started writing the character to Judi's strengths.

But the casting came off as "Judi Evans is available, let's grab her quick and get her back in the P&G fold!" And then they had to figure out what role to put her in.

Ray Liotta is asked about his time on Another World in a new Rolling Stone interview:

"I remember when I got offered it, I was like, “I don’t want to do a soap opera. I want to go and do a Scorsese movie.” But I got Another World six months out of graduating. It happened really fast. It just so happened it was really, really good training. These were unbelievable people I was working with, these great stage actors, really seasoned, and our producer made sure they would be free to go and do plays when they wanted to. So I learned a lot being around them. I really liked it. It didn’t bother me at all."

r120 Yes, the actress was Pam Long, secretary was Carolyn Culliton.

Eldergays, tell me about Margie Impert as Rachel. Was she THAT forgettable?

With a name like that do you really require an answer?

[quote] Eldergays, tell me about Margie Impert as Rachel. Was she THAT forgettable?

I'd be truly surprised if anyone here saw her on air.

She was on for a matter of weeks....and in 1971, when many of us were either a glimmer in our mother's eye or were mere sleeping, eating, shitting machines in our cribs!

I went on a long drive this past weekend and decided to listen to those Eddie Drueding AW tapes from the 60s. I must say that Audra Lindley's Aunt Liz was everything. She's a busybody, a gossip. and lonely (like Irene Dailey's Liz)... but she was so vicious and such a snob and she had Rachel's number from the beginning. My guess is Audra's Liz was Agnes Nixon's inspiration for Phoebe on All My Children.

Cali Timmons is an awful actress. No wonder she hasn’t worked in forever. Ick.

R148 If I remember right, Agnes wrote AMC first and submitted it to P&G way back in, I think, 1965, and then when P&G turned her down, she lost the bible to the show, so when she wrote AW, she borrowed some from that bible.

Rachel was Erica and Ada was Mona, for sure, in terms of new characters Aggie created.

And you're right, she probably positioned Liz to be similar to Phoebe.

Agnes even duplicated the Russ/Rachel marriage on AMC with Erica/Jeff. Bitch-brat marries the boring son of the show's moral-center family.

Margie Impert as Rachel. I can see the resemblance to Strasser, which is probably why she was cast.

I know this is the P&G thread but I loved Phoebe.

She was an old bitch, a snob and a priss, and she was allowed to be. These days the remaining soaps are so flat. No character to them.

Then you would have loved Audra's Liz R153.

Audra Lindley had gas issues. She farted constantly. Strasser said that she stunk up the place out in Brooklyn. Heard she did the same thing under her caftans on Three’s Company.

[quote]Look at what ATWT did with Paul. Paul basically became Todd Manning.

Such a mistake. I called him Podd.

Did Connie even kick Audra in the cunt?

I think Connie was really close to Nancy Wickwire who played Liz #2. I'm not sure how she felt about Audra.

Cali and Judi were both wonderful in different ways. Cali's Paulina was colder, more self-contained and as another poster said, mysterious. Judi's Paulina was hot-tempered and prone to tantrums and over the top physicality.

During Judi's first scenes I knew Paulina and Jake would get together simply because of the way the actors played the scenes. Jake was all over Paulina, pawing Judi in a way Tom Eplin never really had done when Cali played the role. It was down and dirty. Electric. Feral. Judi and Tom had great chemistry. I liked Cali with Dack Rambo's Grant.

When Cali first showed up it was obvious they were going to put her with Jamie, but for some reason that was scrapped.

Among his many Broadway appearances, Douglass Watson played Christian De Neuvillette in CYRANO DE BERGERAC with Jose Ferrer and Arlene Dahl as well as Romeo in ROMEO AND JULIET with Olivia de Havilland as Juliet.

^Big whoop. But did he ever model Calvin Klein underwear? That's the only qualification I look for in my soap actors.

Don't know about Calvin Klein but here he is in leather.

R158 Nancy, Ada's daughter, was named for Nancy Wickwire.

It’s in Harding Lemay’s book, too, about naming Nancy after Wickwire.

The bigger question is how a post-menopausal bulldyke like Ada managed to get pregnant in the first pace.

Danny Markel and sons. The resemblance is clear.

Connie was 51 in 1974 and you can assume that Ada was the same age, so (technically) she could have gotten pregnant and Nancy was a "change of life" baby. Gil hit Ada's last good egg.

Connie Ford was 51 when Nancy was born, but I would assume Ada was supposed to be younger than that , since she showed up in 1967 as the single mother of college-aged Rachel. So the character was probably mid to late 40s when Nancy was born.

So younger than cunty Helen Wagner, whose snatch was probably as dry and barren as the Atacama desert by the 70s.

[quote] cunty Helen Wagner

Helen Wagner was not cunty. I knew her and I know cunty and she wasn't it.

My snatch was drier than sawdust and sand in the Sahara.

I thought I read that Rachel was 18 when she showed up in 1967 and I got the impression that Rachel was a shotgun baby and Ada was young when she was born, so you are probably correct R171.

Connie and Irene had palpable lez chemistry, but Irene only had eyes for Susan Keith. It's apparent that Irene wanted to devour Susan in their early scenes.

That could have been a Notes on a Scandal storyline before its time, R175! Or at least a Windows one with Cecile in the Talia Shire role.

Connie was a bull dyke bully. Get the fuck out of my light!

[quote] She was on for a matter of weeks....and in 1971, when many of us were either a glimmer in our mother's eye or were mere sleeping, eating, shitting machines in our cribs!

In 1971, the majority of DataLoungers were contemplating whether to go for their masters degree in a subject that might actually help them get a job.

R178 Oh honey, we're old but not all of us are THAT old.

We didn't ALL play on the same playground as Irna Phillips

The battle of the Ed Bauers

So JWS had to suck Marland’s toes????? Yuck!!!!

Vetsoapfan LOVES to be crabby and fat soap things. Fat Ed Bauer! Fat Bert! Fat Maureen! Fat soap names like THE Guiding Light.

I have no idea who he is- I have never watched 5 minutes of a daytime soap- in my entire life.

R183 Well...fuck you and you don't have to post in a soap thread.

The Bauers were obese. Bert, Ed, Hope, Rick, Maureen, Hillary. Can you imagine the farts unleased at the Thanksgiving Dinner table. Mike was trim. Was he adopted?

Judging by Mike's teeth, R185, he lit up a cigarette whenever he became too hungry. The family was too busy shaming Ed about his alcoholism to call out Mike's intense --even for the 70s -- nicotine habit.

Vetsoapfan loved every obese Bauer, especially Fat Ed!

Elvera Roussel was a fattie. She was definitely her uncle's niece. No wonder Alan fucked around.

Douglass also sang with the Andrew Sisters and John Travolta in Over Here

Mart Hulswit was a big cuddly teddy bear. Marland called him a doofus and wanted his fired.

The Bauers were slim compared to other Midwesterners.

The Matthews family seemed to keep themselves in good shape. And I doubt the Frames had much opportunity for between-meal snacking.

The Hughes and Matthews families were thin. The Bauers overate. Bert didn't get the diabeetus from eating carrot sticks.

I had my snacks in the woods behind Tops.

Janice Frame was stick thin. Willis has birthing thighs, and Steve always looked one eclair away from Mama Cass territory.

The Bauers were German so they were probably shoveling in streudels and bratwursts by the pound.

Vinegary Nancy Hughes probably only allowed desserts on birthdays and holidays; , otherwise it was an apple or a couple of prunes as a treat.

The Bauers kept it 💯real.

[quote] The Bauers were German so they were probably shoveling in streudels and bratwursts by the pound.

Ha ja!

The Bauer men were packing the bratwurst if you catch my drift.

Mike had big dick energy. Ed had a cocklet, which is why he could never satisfy Rita. Bill Bauer had BDF.

Papa Bauer was known for his double digit weisswurst back in the day.....

You couldn’t keep the Bauers away from the craft services table or the prop food.

Nancy Hughes and Kim Hughes taught their children that no one wants to go to bed with a fatty!

R194 Jamie was a total top, idiot.

Gurrrrrl.....

NO ONE wearing these coochie cutters is a top.....

OMG Dejure posts in this thread? He’s been red tagged 3 times.

R207 [italic]Two[/italic] times. And yes, I’m a soap queen. I was raised on ATWT, GL, and DOOL, and I caught the AW reruns on soapnet 15 years ago.

Ada's pussy must've been ripe. Gerald Davis, Ernie Downs, Gil McGowan, Charlie Hobson. She got more cock over the years than some of the younger bitches.

Why doesn't anyone ever mention me?

Juicy Janet’s famous Italian cooking gave Lisa some “issues.”

Eileen Fulton's lawyer is now reading this thread.

[quote]Eileen Fulton's lawyer is now reading this thread.

We should be so lucky.

[quote]Why doesn't anyone ever mention me? —Juicy Janet

You were the town bicycle. Everybody rode you and discarded you afterward. Not much worth mentioning.

Did GL need a really good villainous like Sonni/Solita or Annie to come in and out of SF through the years to help ratings and story? Roger gave a ton of story,, but that ended with the actor’s death. Had Sonni/Solita or Annie (Cynthia and no one else) kept coming back like Sheila on YR and BB it may have given GL more buzz in the later years, more story, more excitement, and better ratings.

I mean, it worked to an extent with ATWT and John Steinbeck, plus AW and Carl Hutchins (until his redemption).

Before we get too far away from coochie cutters, I just wanna say that Shawn Christian in those short shorts ...

Ron Raines’ Alan was just not the type of villain like that. I would even say Chris Bernau’s wasn’t either. GL had great short term villains- Sonni/Solita, Annie, Brent/Marian among others- and one of the all time great long term villains with Roger. Roger was somewhat redeemed after 1989, and he never became the bad guy he was before. He was just a very interesting character from 1989 on.

James Stenbeck's first two returns were dramatic, but after that it was.....just hard to believe.

Sheila at B&B has become a joke.

Stefano at DAYS was too, a mop to clean up any story messes, but DAYS had the framework to play along with the joke.

When the whole Jonathan/Sandy business was happening, they should have sent Sandy to jail, and then had his mama, Solita, come to get him out, whereupon Sandy would learn he was Josh and Solita's son.

Who was Sandy rented out to among the discreet Bay City gays?

Sven wrecked Sandy's hole.

A friend of mine worked as a PA on the set of AW in the early '80s and whenever some young up and comer wanted to 'improv' something, Connie Ford would invariably start by entering the scene and saying, 'I wouldn't go into the toilet for a while if I was you'.

Did Brian Bancroft enjoy the mansex?

Connie Ford was a nasty old bulldyke. An unhappy lesbian.

R222 I would have taken a Solita/Sonni recast but it would have to be someone phenomenal. The Annie recast (Signey!) was awful beyond belief. If you’re going to follow up Cynthia Watros, you better swing for the fences.

They had an initially good idea about Roger’s son and the creepy Sebastian. In the end, the writing wasn’t interesting enough.

The real reason Martha Byrne left ATWT in 08 was because the studio constantly smelled bad. She won’t admit it in any interviews.

226, 227,228, 230 are invisible to me. Hmmmmm

Thank your lucky stars, R231.

R221 I'd say Mitch Laurence become that on OLTL.

GH was the best at it though, because they had a whole stable of bad guys and gals they could cycle in and out. Port Charles was like Gotham City they had a rouge's gallery of villains that took turns terrorizing the city.

Rod Arrants, who was Travis on Search for Tomorrow, died in February. Apparently, like Audrey Peters, we're just learning about it now from the SAF/AFTRA magazine.

Rod Arrants died back in February but its just now being announced.

Sad news about Rod Arrants. Buzzr's been rerunning his week of Match Game/Hollywood Squares Hour appearances.

This reminds me of when Marcia McCabe, ostensibly remembering the late Louan Gideon, took the time to say when an apparent cunt Sherry Mathis was.

Sherry Mathis thought that SHE was the star of SFT. I put her in her place real quick!

GH had too many villains and it got tedious. It really was one of my least favorite shows. Almost unwatchable.

I guess no one knows if Michelle Forbes really said if she would have returned to Guiding Light briefly when Zimmer returned. It would have been interesting and a story Pam Long could have written the fuck out of.

Pam Long decimated the Bauers on TGL. I’ve never forgiven her.

Sorry to hear about Rod Arrants. He was a good looking guy. He looked like he could have easily been one of the many Frank Ryan recasts on Ryan's Hope.

Sherry Mathis was luminous as Liza. Bond Gideon was terrible.

Wasn’t Louan Gideon friends with Marla Maples

Sherry Mathis was married to Jerry Lanning, who played Justin Marshall on Texas.

They met at Search for Tomorrow in 1978, where he played Nick D'Antonio, a hitman who tried to kill Liza.

My grandma watched all the ABC shows. She hated the P&G shows except Guiding Light which was her personal favorite. She felt the ABC shows were hipper and modern whereas P&G were slow and seemed old fashioned. Again, except for Guiding Light. She would rave about the Roger years and the marital rape storyline, the clown mirror chasing, the jungle chasing. She said Guiding Light always seemed fresh, hip, and edgy.

[quote]She felt the ABC shows were hipper and modern whereas P&G were slow and seemed old fashioned.

I totally get that. I'm currently listening to Eddie Drueding's AW from the 60s tapes. The show is filled with great drama and fun acting, but the organ music makes it seem so old fashioned - luckily the music was mostly played at the beginning and end of scenes, so it wasn't too bad. But it must have been weird to go from Days and The Doctors with orchestrated music to the organ music of Another World. And all of the CBS soaps were organ music soaps. LIAMST started with orchestrated music, but switched to to organ music.

Surprised this hasn’t gotten more attention here.

Martha Byrne has a new gig... shilling for wrinkle cream.

At least she's not hawking the No! No! ladystache removal kit!

The P&G soaps were always the old lady/gramma stories. ABC was young and hip.

ATWT’s studio always needed diapers on hand. It really helped them to save money in the end when there was no time for breaks.

Happy birthday, Eileen Fulton! 88 years young.

Because the troll is just talking to itself.

Amazing how much nicer this thread (and many others) becomes by just simply putting one single poster on IGNORE.

You have to ignore him twice. He has two accounts.

Imagine being over 60 and finding jokes about old lady shit amusing

^I resent that. I’m over 70! Get it right.

Soooo did we start a new thread?

The role of Mackenzie Cory is now being played by Dennis Cole.

Yeah, did we start a new thread?

This is still an active P&G thread, despite the lack of activity except from a certain troll. Some people have been posting on this new Connie Ford thread.

I always cringed when Alma would pronounce "Cecile" as "SEE-sill". Pronounce it correctly, you trailer trash psycho bitch.

Former ATWT twink Paul Korver has grown into a daddy.

He was a handsome guy. I never understood why Goutman kept hiring and firing actors in key roles like the many Chris Hugheses.

Korver couldn't act. That was part of the problem. The endless parade of square jawed underwear hunks as Chris Hughes was pretty ridiculous, given that the other Hughes actors were not so great looking. No way would Don Hastings and Kathy Hays produce someone so pretty.

That old Korvie wouldn’t bring me my special towels!

Jenshen, wheresh the pahrty?

^At Goutman’s ex’s house.

R268 He was cute but he failed because he had no chemistry with Kristina Sisco/Abigail. They never quite got Chris right.

R265 everyone on Dynasty except for Joan Collins pronounced it the same way.

I'm watching 1999 ATWT during the Reid Hamilton storyline right now. I know this era is not well-regarded, but I'm enjoying it.

Kelley Menighan Hensley really was such an atrocious actress though. How in the world did she last 18 years? I just crack up laughing when she does that "mmmmmmmm" thing when she's crying.

I used to love when Larry Bryggman would take pot shots at ATWT and soaps in general. When all the soap mags and viewers were proclaiming how Marland's ATWT was the best thing to come along since sliced bread, he was probably laughing at how awful the storytelling and dialogue would have been in any other genre. And he's right! I can't imagine any sane person watching these shows for anything but pretty faces and bodies, and for an occasional laugh. No one ever took them seriously.

Whenever Bryggman would appear on the screen on ATWT, my mother would always say, 'that's one of Al Pacino's good friends'. I guess it would be a bit embarrassing to be an actor who was good friends with Pacino and be on a soap.

[quote] No one ever took them seriously.

Miss r275 is also outraged that they did not perform Shakespeare on [italic]The Real World.[/italic]

I’m in 1999. Georgia is hiding fuckable mimbo Eddie in Lucinda’s pool house. Lucinda finds boxer shorts and Georgia says she sleeps in them. A bewildered Lucinda says, “Back in my day we wore the tops.” 😭

What I’m most surprised by in 1999 ATWT is how little CZP has to do. No wonder she didn’t mind the theatrics of jumping out a courtroom window later on. They really weren’t using her at all.

I shshallsh washh a drunk.

Why did Nick Kokotakis leave? He was fine as fuck.

His daughter has cerebral palsy and he needed to take care of her

So, did Connie Ford kick everyone in the cunt? Why's it so quiet?

What's happened to our lively P&G discussion?

The Connie Ford thread is just as quiet as this one.

Ok I’ll liven it up.

Which P&G couples appeared to have great chemistry on camera but loathed each other ?

Apparently Grant Aleksander and Judi Evans didn't get along off camera.

seems like this thread is M'd

in any case here's a new one

[quote] Apparently Grant Aleksander and Judi Evans didn't get along off camera.

Well, it sounds like Judi believes Grant, Mikey and Krista mean girled her

And Grant and Mikey think Judi got favors and story because she was fucking the producer.

Doug with Brando in "Julius Caesar."

Christopher Goutman was the guest on a Locher Room episode last week.

Interesting interview, but not a lot of earth shattering info revealed. These are some of the biggest reveals:

He explained the budget was so tight in the final years, they couldn't afford to buy green screens or props. That's why they did location shoots about once a week.

Also revealed he mishandled the Martha Byrne contract renewal situation, but said that at the time, he was very concerned about setting a precedent by giving into her demands.

Said it was pressure from P&G (responding to viewer complaints) that kept Luke and Noah from kissing on screen for so long.

Apparently Goutman is also a budding author.

He revealed on the Locher Room that he has penned five novels in the past decade, all apparently self-published. His pen name is C.P. Goutman.

The most recent novel, published in Sept. 2020, is named Edge of Night. But don't get your hopes up thinking this is a behind the scenes tell all about the soap we loved. Apparently, it has little connection to the soap opera other than loosely basing some characters on Edge characters, especially Sky Whitney.

Here is the blurb from the Amazon page:

[quote]NYPD Detective David McIntire never thought he'd see his fiancé again after she left him five years ago. When the two reunite she is no longer Mary Burr but Sister Mary Catherine, a Catholic nun. Despite his resistance, she enlists him to investigate the death of her brother, who reportedly committed suicide while doing missionary work in Argentina. As they work together to uncover the truth, what they find pits them against one of New York’s oldest and most powerful families, the Whitneys, whose patriarch will do anything to protect his and the Church’s secrets. Always meeting at the edge of night in the catacombs beneath the parish church, they discover that the strange underground labyrinth possesses the key to unlock the mystery and bring the Whitney empire crashing down with it. Edge of Night is a high-adrenaline suspense thriller that travels across continents and a hundred years into the past, proving in the end that the corridors of power are no match for the enduring strength of love.

R286 the entire board was Muriel’d.

Did Goutman talk about his ex Ms McCabe or their lezzy daughter?

Thank you, R289.

He just angers me so, I don't want to hear him talk, to be honest. I'm glad he acknowledges some mishandling of Martha's situation, but he didn't just mishandle it, he fucked it up beyond repair.

Martha pulled a diva act and it backfired on her. Good for Goutman for not putting up with her shit.

Nah, Martha was not a diva. She'd taken a 70 percent pay cut, and all she was asking for was to not cut her guarantee any further.

Seriously though, how did Kelley Menighan Hensley last so long? Just because she was fucking John Hensley? It doesn’t make sense that they never recast her with someone good. From what I’ve seen of 1992 on YouTube she actually started out Ok and got *worse* with time.

Another one who shouldn’t have lasted is Terri Conn as Katie. Where I am in 1999 she is just awful. I think she got slightly better later on when she was more of a schemer and got exposed at the Endicotts, but they could have written the character off then and the last ten years wouldn’t have missed a beat.

R147, I'm a little older; was about 8 when I started watching AW circa 1970; I recall Caroline Johnson poisoning Pat and multiple flashbacks Aunt Liz had of picking up a statue and starting to club Wayne Addison over the head; the flashbacks always dropped out before she conked him.

Then, one time, you saw the full flashback; Wayne grabs the statue and orders Liz out; then Walter Curtain comes in and finishes the job.

I have an odd odd memory, recalling minutia -- so reading Harding Lemay's memoir Eight Years in Another World brought it all back.

What has Martha Byrne done since ATWT?

Fans never understand the behind the scenes stuff. All they know is what they've made up in their own minds, usually based one person's account. I don't know Chris Goutman from Adam, but I do know that producing these shows is hard, especially when money is tight and you don't have the full support of the network and the production company. Luke and Noah aren't kissing. It's easy to blame Goutman, when the real culprit is bigots and the Network who gives into them. Martha Byrne is let go. Let's blame Goutman, and he took some responsibility. But money was tight and sometimes you have to make tough choices so you don't set a precedent.

Being the headwriter or EP of a soap is one of the most thankless jobs in entertainment.

Vee, who’s in the biz, would he a GREAT EP!!! But no one ever hires him. lolololololol

I guess we should be glad that Jill Farrell Phelps didn’t take over ATWT. She would have had Nancy, Lisa, Kim and Bob shot to death in a mob hit at Memorial.

Farren! I hate autocorrect

^That would have been more interesting than what happened on ATWT in its last 10 years. Nancy added nothing to the show. Just an old battleaxe they rolled out every 2 or 3 months. Lisa couldn’t remember her lines. lol Bob and Kim were the tentpole couple. They were great.

I actually didn't mind Katie for the first few years, though her connections to family were underplayed.

But as a Tracy Flick wannabe stirring up trouble with Henry and Holden....that was fun. Simon and Katie had its moments.

It's only after she and Carly took over the show that I began to despise her.

Michael Tylo has died, according to a post on the Locher Room FB page.

Vee, who is in the biz, and that fool slick jones think they can dictate who posts and what gets posted at SON. Insufferable!

Does Sally Morina have the Alzheimer’s?

How much money did Martha Byrne make?

I wonder if ATWT tried to reach out to Heather Rattray after things did not work out with Martha Byrne. I liked Heather in the role.

Michael Tylo has died at age 73.

Has Hunter Tylo commented yet?

What was Martha Byrne’s salary before her 70% pay cut?

Since someone threw a shit fit about new threads not being linked, let me make sure the new one is linked here.

Anyone know why Lisa Brown is so reluctant to talk about her soap years now. Would love for her to do a Locher Room session on Quint and Nola.

My favorite scene in AW is when Robert Delaney defaced Iris’ portrait and Mac’s bust. The reaction of Louise and later Iris -priceless !

Ish the party shtill at Marksh and Colleensh?

When will Queen Locher be interviewing Lady Camargo-Wyndham? That's the one I'm waiting for. I bet she has a ton of tea to spill and some great BTS stories.

R315, I don't know...Lisa DID give a quote to one of the site about Michael's passing.

I saw the 'tribute' to him in Soap Opera Digest -- it just rehashed old Twitter quotes.

Lisa’s worried that Queen Locher will ask her about her gay son.

[quote]When will Queen Locher be interviewing Lady Camargo-Wyndham?

I doubt very much whether she would agree to do it. She seems uninterested in revisiting the past.

Just got through watching the Linda Dano session of the Locher Room.

I highly recommend it.

Rather tell you about Doug Weston...

Oh Aunt Liz. Do keep up. We’ve all known for years about the love story of Linda and Frank. Nothing earth shattering there. Have you gone senile?

Somebody on here said Linda didn’t get along with Henderson Forsythe when she did ATWT; I guess that old fool didn’t like the story, since it was first time he had to do something on the show other than look constipated and tell various Hughes and Stewart family members they were dying.

Linda is lying. She has a new hookup practically every 6 mths since Frank died.

Linda indicated in her Locher Room session she didn't really enjoy her time on ATWT or her first stint on OLTL. Was very reluctant to even audition for Felicia on AW.

Linda always slept around the AW and OLTL sets. This is common knowledge.

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